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 Post subject: Fastest way to cycle
PostPosted: Jun 2nd, '12, 14:55 
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I've been trying to think of a way to cycle a system without taking 3-8 weeks to do so...

What I've been thinking about is something like worm tea but more hardcore... like getting 2kg of worm/horse/cow compost, stirring it up in an aerated bucket and then straining it through something like a muselin cloth and pumping the water into the system to establish bacteria and nutrients straight away.

Would that sort of mixture be beneficial to the system or not achieve anything?

I'm thinking it would also contain worm eggs and they would settle in the beds and populate them quickly.

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 Post subject: Re: Fastest way to cycle
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My first thought is that the linking of any warm blooded animal with aquaponics is questionable! :dontknow:

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My first thought is that the linking of any warm blooded animal with aquaponics is questionable!

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Run the water through your system for a couple of days so any Chlorine is well and truly gassed off, put your seedlings in the GB, add a dash of Seasol, then add a few buckets of water from a well established AP system, or healthy aquarium, pond etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Fastest way to cycle
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even adding water, which i can probably get as there's a guy down the road that i could buy some goldfish off with big koi ponds, i believe it still takes almost as long as cycling from nothing

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One of the biggest killers of fish is people rushing things, and people adding things.. Kick back have a beer and watch your system. If you feel tempted to play with it and add stuff, go out and see a movie or visit friends.. :)

If you want to experiment with compost/manure tea, do it in a dirt garden, or just somewhere away from fish.. :thumbright:

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When Fayes system was first set up, I stocked it straight away with trout and with water from my established system, Monya can over about 4 weeks later and suggested I test the water, the system had cycled completely, and this is winter time in Perth

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One of the biggest killers of fish is people rushing things, and people adding things.. Kick back have a beer and watch your system. If you feel tempted to play with it and add stuff, go out and see a movie or visit friends.. :)

If you want to experiment with compost/manure tea, do it in a dirt garden, or just somewhere away from fish.. :thumbright:

+1 Joel

Nature has had a few billion years to work out the best system. Thinking we can come up with something better over a weekend just doesn't pan out.

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We are trying to create a mini biosphere.
Adding water and grow bed slush will shorten the cycle time, but nature will take it's course in time. This is the quickest way to cycle a system without endangering the fish. Plants are really a secondary concern.


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 Post subject: Re: Fastest way to cycle
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In the end.. cycliong is about populating the system.. with the right bacteria....

Compost and animal manures don't contain significant amounts of the bacteria you want... sure they'll fertilise your plants... and create a lovely green algae bloom....

Just get some water, or "filter sludge" from an aquarium... or best, from an established ssystem... and like everyone else has said... just kick back....

I start all my systems with fish and plants... from day one... along with some water from an established system.... and then just leave it alone.... never had anything but spectacular resultss... each and every time...

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My system cycled in four weeks with trout - and we're in late autumn. I did get a head start by using water from my first system, though. You may get a system cycling sooner if you can use a lot of water and media from an existing system.

Bacteria reproduce faster in warmer conditions - so cycling warmer months or heating the water may help.

Otherwise, as EB said, patience and don't overfeed! The fish won't die if they don't get fed every day. Monitor pH, NH3, NO2 and NO3 - I've been doing the tests every second day. The test kits have an expiry date - if you don't use all the reagents you'll have to throw them away anyway!

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when you say "some water" how much are we talking about?

As I said I can probably get 10L or so from a koi pond but I'm not sure how much useful bacteria there would be in such a small amount of water.

Means I'll have to buy some sacrificial goldfish from the local guy though or just pay him for the water.

Actually the guy has some aquaponics growbeds running on constant flow... I might be able to get a small plastic bag worth of the media to wash in my system...

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In a single bucket of water from a healthy AP system, or pond, there would be literally billions of beneficial bacteria... and they multiply every few hours.

Putting some goldfish in the system while it cycles would be a good idea, for a couple of reasons. They would provide an Ammonia source for the multiplying bacteria, and the water they come in would also contain beneficial bacteria.

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Stick a blue barrel on a trailer... and come for a visit to Gerringong... I've got plenty of water... :D

Actually... I'm heading up to Sydney tomorrow... I could bring a 20L container up... where are you??

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I'm in terrey hills mate but I'm not quite ready to cycle yet... still setting up and the rain bucketing down in the past 24 hours hasn't helped progress

I'll pm you my number as I would like to meet you sometime in te future.

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too much thinking here...

my outdoor pond, grow bed system, i let the water sit for a couple days, then started pumping thru the barren grow bed. Added catfish at day 2 or 3. everything has been going great.


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