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PostPosted: May 13th, '18, 02:33 
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Here are some updated pics of what is going on in the hoop house.


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It might be a little early to get excited but last night my buddy who runs a commercial nursery told me they are probably going to work on a 1 acre project this summer to cover an entire acre space in new greenhouses/high tunnels... To do that they will first remove four existing tunnels that are 30x160ft. I asked him if that means he is going to give me a good deal on one of the old tunnels they are scrapping... He said probably, that I can probably buy it from them for scrap value... So if all goes well and I can come up with the money in time I might be able to buy a 30x160 commercial tunnel for pennies on the dollar... I have no idea what that means for a dollar amount hopefully no more than a grand or two... Then of course I will have to haul it and reassemble it which will take a while and buy plastic for it etc. But if I can get a good deal on it then it may be worth it and really increase our growing space to a point where I might be able to get serious about doing it full time in the not so distant future.

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So I'm already debating about what I will do if I do end up buying one of the high tunnels my buddy's company is taking down... I think I would end up breaking it up and having two 30x80 high tunnels instead of one 30x160 high tunnel. I have mowed most of the space that I would end up using... so I think I'll kind of measure / stake it out so I can finish clearing the rest of the space I would need and work on killing off the weeds so it will be in better shape if the time comes that I do end up buying it.

I think I would run one east-west just to the north of my hoop house, probably leaving about a 10ft space between them that I'd add more beds to... then add one north-south just to have it closer to my existing growing areas -- getting closer to the existing greenhouse so it would be closer that I could run electric from the greenhouse to the high tunnel then from that high tunnel to the other high tunnel and hoop house eventually.

My thought is the north-south high tunnel would contain a larger AP system and a lot of additional fish tanks so I could scale up the quantity of fish I produce.

I'm going to get this all planned out and then probably not be able to afford to buy it when the time comes... we'll see fingers crossed


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I don't know, I had one person tell me they will be lucky to get $0.05 per pound right now, but I don't want to get my hopes up that much... I am figuring if it's less than a couple Grand I'll be interested... As long as I can save the money before then but I'm not sure on the timing... It's a $175,000 project for them to replace these houses how they want to so it's not for sure yet but my buddy thought it will probably happen.

If it's more than a couple Grand then I probably won't be interested. Just estimating my cost to build something of comparable size, I'm at $0.80 / sq ft on my hoop house including the plastic, so if it's going to cost more then that I will just build more hoop houses like I have... But having two 30x80 hoop houses would be pretty awesome ;)

I'll let you know once I hear a number on what they want for them. I'm hoping in the next couple of weekends to go visit and get a look at their operation so I can take pictures of the high tunnel they want to get rid of too... My buddy wants to raise some tilapia this year so I'm giving him a couple hundred of my babies so it's a good excuse for me to get a tour when I deliver the tilapia to him.

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Wow this is really cool. I have a hard time imaging what 180' by 30' would look like other than friggin' huge. Are High Tunnels as tall as they are wide? Do you have to permit something that massive in your area? That's large enough to grow fruit trees inside right? That'll really open up a lot more growing options. I bet you are excited. Good luck and be calm, hehe
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I don't think it will require permits because it is considered a temporary structure with no living quarters so they don't really care about it.

I think most high tunnels the side walls are 6 to 10 ft tall, so the peak is probably 16 to 20 ft tall is my guess. It would have plenty of room for growing trees..

I haven't made a ton of progress this weekend because I lost a few hours yesterday to the wife getting her hair cut and then me making a trip to home Depot. Today I've been to Menards twice creating more projects bought 710 paver stones to outline flower beds and trees for the wife because we went to Sam's daycare and dug about 2 yards of black dirt that was composted wood chips around the playset in the yard to help his daycare provider out because she already dug about that much before she had enough...going to replace it with sand instead of wood chips so this is nice black dirt that has broke down over the past 20 years of her adding wood chips around the swings etc... Filling in flower beds and will top off a few beds in the garden.

I did manage to install one roll up sides on the hoop house yesterday and moved about 245 tilapia in to the greenhouse AP system this morning. I have a lot to get done tomorrow thankful for the extra day off.


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I finished the trellis in the hoop house. I bought high tensile wire from Home Depot and installed it with turnbuckles to tighten it down so I don't get any droop from the weight of stuff hanging from the trellis. The middle 2x4's I drilled holes through so the wire just rests in them and attached eyelets on both end boards to connect them to.

You can also see one of the four motion activated solar powered LED lights in this first picture. I put two facing one way and two facing the other way. They work pretty nicely but I think I might buy 2 more to have full coverage no matter where I am in the hoop house.

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What's your technique for bracing the posts that those turnbuckles are coming off of? Are the posts just set really deep or is there a wire tie back or perhaps the turnbuckles are fairly lose? Seems like the turnbuckles should be pulling the posts inward and I can't tell what you have pulling back against the tension although I can see the post is tied to the ridge beam.


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They are screwed into the vertical beam supports and also screwed into the purlins on both sides so they are fairly tight without bending the boards. I figured if I have an issue I will add another 2x4 to stiffen the one that the tension wires are connected to.

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All looking great Rob, I love the timber you guys use overthere, you would need the mortgage your house to pay for that here.

Timber of that quality in Australia would cost an absolute fortune, cheap pine costs $14.21AUD a meter here and nowhere near the quality of your timber. (14.21 AUD = 10.76 USD)

Your Hoop houses are all looking good, great job :thumbright:


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I guess I can't complain then... I think I paid around $20 a piece for the 2x10x12ft (50mm x 250mm x 4m? Well actually looks like you use real size not made up size before planing like they do here) boards for the last 6 beds I built. It was a bit pricey because I was building 6 beds at once but I expect it will last a lot longer than the first 6 beds I built out of 1x6 fence boards.

A 2x4x8ft goes for about $3 a piece here. I actually pay a bit more than I could be paying because I usually shop at Home Depot here which is a bit higher price but you don't have to sort through quite as many boards to find a straight one as you do at the other home improvement stores here. And I have a home Depot credit card that gives 0% interest for 6 months on all purchases over $300 and get offers for 12 months no interest on purchases over $600 and 18 months no interest on purchases over $1000 quite regularly so I finance most of my building projects through the card and just make sure I pay them off before interest hits. I don't want to get store cards for the other stores although I'm sure they have similar offers...)

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Rob they are a good buy @ $20 USD, 4 metres of Pine here works out at $56.84 AUD and Pine is about our cheapest timber.

Treated Pine for framing is $61.79 for a 4.5 metre length, timber is very expensive here, anything laminated is worth a small fortune.

Timber here has now become too expensive to use on big projects. :upset:

Having one major supplier doesn't help, they control the prices.


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