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 Post subject: Re: The 'Puddle'
PostPosted: May 20th, '13, 00:20 
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On top with water volumes. It is pretty much you and DandM. On this forum anyways. Don't feel bad, it rocks! All I can say is that the first year might not yield muchin the way of vegetables. The puddle princess's fish will be happy though!

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The fish are ecstatically happy yet the plants are increasingly forlorn. The Puddle water has been dosed with Seasol a few times but I think a fish based fertiliser, or humonia, may be what is required. Some advice regarding what is a safe volume to add would be very much appreciated.

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What volume of water have you got at this stage, PJ? 10K?

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Yes, Charlie - probably a little more with total GB volume of close to 1,000L of media.

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Interesting PJL, sounds similar to my system "pool to pond"

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I have 50 gold fish, 20 yabbies and 100 SP fry which seem happy in the 8kl pond
but the plants look very sad in the 1250l of grow bed.

I am wondering if you drained the pool water and refilled with fresh water,
I didn't and I'm wondering if there was some remnant chemical in the pool which is affecting the plants or is it the large water to GB volume ratio?

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Hello Slowboat. The Puddle wasn't drained, rather just left to sit and 'naturalise' for a few months. I don't think that is the problem. I have just read your thread (well done, by the way) and I believe we have the same challenge - too much water and too few/small cloacae pumping out fertiliser! This means we have created a great environment for fish, probably with little risk of ammonia or nitrite poisoning in the short to near term, but the plants are left wanting.

That is why I want some advice on how much, and of what, I need to add to the Puddle in order to ameliorate the problem.

As an aside, I hadn't even thought about the option of adding yabbies or marron to the Puddle, even though I have them in my own ponds and tanks. I will have to put it to the Puddle Princess and see what she thinks.

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If you add .01 liters of pure ammonia, that should bring you up to 1 ppm ammonia. I would imagine it will take some time to cycle. Perhaps this is a system you want to over feed in for a season. That way you can get a good ammount of trace nutrients in.

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Thanks, Ron, that is what I have been after. I will be Puddleside tomorrow evening so will finally be able to sort it out.

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Hi PJ, have you tested the water latley?

mine seems to be cycling with the Nitrate at about 30ppm and NH3 down to .25ppm but nitrite is still 5+

seems odd given that some get their systems cycling without fish?


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Ronmaggi, what sort of ammonia would you add?

where can you buy it?

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I used humonia... The problem is that it is unpredictable. Try to find pure ammonia with no additives like surfactants. Oddly, here in the US, there is a chain called 99¢ Only, and the ammonia they sell has no additives.

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Slowboat wrote:
Hi PJ, have you tested the water lately?
I tested the Puddle water this morning, Slowboat, and came up with the following results:

pH: 8.1
Ammonia: 0
Nitrites: 0
Nitrates: 0

As you can see, despite system similarities our set-ups are tracking quite differently.

I didn't get a chance to chase down some ammonia today while down in the city. I suggested to the Puddle Princess that she may have to strike a blow for the cause and supply some of her own. I'm not sure whether or not that sort of thing is usually attended to by princesses, but this one is very committed to the success of her aquaponic Puddle. I suppose I will know just how committed she is when next I test her water! :wink:

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I put fish tank water and also some plants from another pond into my system to start it.

Still it is taking a long time to cycle, guess the large water volume contributes to the stability of the system?

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The Puddle has had a nitrite reading of between 2 and 5 PPM for the last week or more. 25kgs of lake salt was added over a period of a few days to mitigate against brown blood disease.
The fish haven't been fed since the first high reading (as far as I am aware) so I am surprised that the reading hasn't dropped.

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PostPosted: Jul 17th, '13, 23:12 
Add some extra aeration... and/or pumping...


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