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Not likely, they'd be full of various parasites! We took 4 down to an eroded patch of ground we are filling in with fruit tree prunings and other vegetation, and I didn't find the 5th one initially, but it stank pretty well the next day, and I found it had been dragged about 10metres, out of sight behind a bush in long wire grass and mostly eaten. The other 4 were mostly eaten within a few days too. They weighed 25-30kg each.

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Almost finished off the first bed this morning- just need some sandy loam to fill it, then a bit more hay on top.

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Is that like an earthan bed? or are the roots down into gravel?

Do the native fingerlimes have any issues with high phosphates like some of the other native plants?

Looks like its going to be a great system!

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Exciting stuff.

Do you mind me asking where you got the grow beds from or who might supply them Gunna?

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mattyoga wrote:
Is that like an earthan bed? or are the roots down into gravel?


Don't Earthan Beds involve external filtration? These are just like regular grow beds, where the rocks provide the filtration, with soil/potting mix/hay on top. The main tap roots probably wont go through the geotextile, but the small feeder roots most likely will. The geotextile is really only there to keep sand and other small particles from getting into the water circulation, and wearing out the pump.

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Do the native fingerlimes have any issues with high phosphates like some of the other native plants?


Good question, I should know in a few months! They seem to be doing fine in the ground and pots with a fair bit of potting mix mixed in, which must have a reasonable amount of Phosphorus, given it contains meat meal and blood & bone. The Searles Organic Potting Mix doesnt have any analysis on the bag, which we buy by the pallet load to get a better price, my wife uses a fair bit of it.

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Those big round tubs come from the local (26km away) monthly auction. I've picked up a few poly tanks there in the past at about half normal retail prices. A local poly manufacturer sells off seconds there too, although the defects are usually minor. They have the stock tubs in various sizes most months, I use a much larger one as a ST in my other system, and will use a 2000 litre one as a ST in this one until I can afford to buy a larger tank.

The rectangular beds are from Tilkey in Warwick, which is closer to you than me, and I think they have a branch in Brisbane too. They also have a great selection of poly and metal drums, barrels and other bits and pieces, including IBCs, which they have in food grade and are cleaned, but a lot more expensive than you can pick them up elsewhere. I'll be heading up to Warwick again in a few months when the credit card is not quite so close to melting, for some more rectangular beds.

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Gunagulla wrote:
.....Not likely, they'd be full of various parasites! .....


I have wondered.. So many seem to eat them without issue..

I wondered if it was a bit of an old wives tale to encourage shooters to NOT go pig shooting on properties..
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If you cooked them well enough you'd probably be ok, kangaroos are the same. There'd be hundreds of pigs shot per year within 10km of here, I haven't heard of anyone doing it to eat themselves, perhaps the dogs might get some though.

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The earthan bed itself is pretty much what you've got there, assuming you don't flood to higher than media/soil interface.

External/solids filtration is used in Pauls sytems, though as I understand it, that would also be used for a media bed system. I've been running earthan beds with no filtration other than the other media beds for 2 years with no issues as yet.

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The rectangular beds are from Tilkey in Warwick, which is closer to you than me, and I think they have a branch in Brisbane too. They also have a great selection of poly and metal drums, barrels and other bits and pieces, including IBCs, which they have in food grade and are cleaned, but a lot more expensive than you can pick them up elsewhere. I'll be heading up to Warwick again in a few months when the credit card is not quite so close to melting, for some more rectangular beds.


Wow, just had a look at their website and I think I just fell in love!! Sheez they have everything an AP enthusiast could want. Nice find. I might give them a call tomorrow and see if I can get any prices. Both the Warwick and Brisbane branches are similar distances from me (~2 hour drive) so not so bad.

If you head up again your welcome to catch up and stay the night which might make the trip a little more bare able.

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For the trees it will certainly flood higher than the lowest bits of the media-soil line, it isn't a line as such, the soil is deeper directly under the trees for a bit more stability. There'll be 3 areas when the soil gets wet on more than just its lower edge each flood cycle in the large round beds. In the rectangular beds it will flood to the bottom of the soil, as it will be approximately level.

Based on some other discussions I've seen, perhaps we should call this the advanced extra-terrestrial version :laughing3:

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Wow, just had a look at their website and I think I just fell in love!!


Yea, a good find indeed, I was impressed when I dropped to the Warwick yard in on the way home for a look last year, after spotting it on the way up to Brissy. I have their printed price list here, I can tell you there are plenty of good deals! Heather in the Warwick office is great to deal with.

Thanks for the drop-in offer, I might take you up on it one day.

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I've been running earthan beds with no filtration other than the other media beds for 2 years with no issues as yet.


I saw you were having problems early on, but it started to work well after a while.
Do you have any thoughts about having the water inlet at the surface of the soil rather than below the barrier?

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I think that would over saturate the oil and wash too much of it down into the gravel/ST/FT. The first mix I did had too much organics and turned too dense and anearobic, I then added more sand and it was ok after that.

I sometimes have the water level a inch higher than the gravel/soil interface and that does not seem to cause issues. I've got a trombonchino in there at present that is currently taking over the shed and back garden. Got some massive trombonchinos from it.

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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tromboncino_(squash)

For those of you who like me had no idea what a trombocino is.

I'm so green, I can't seem to get any curcubits to do well in the AP.

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massive trombonchinos

Massive alright!
I was going to just put sandy loam on top, but my wife decided she wanted me to put a pre-mix of sandy loam, composted cow manure and sand on top. I covered the potting mix and hay with it today and I dont think it will become compacted too much as it decomposes, and I will add more hay and sandy loam-compost-sand mix

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The perforated ag pipe at the edge is where the SLO'd water will enter

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