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PostPosted: Apr 29th, '17, 09:02 
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Looking great, the roof top setup should be awesome... you did check the structure under the RTAP right?

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WOW! That's a big cone.

What are the demensions of the cone?

What size is the tank the cone is built for?

How many IBC's are hooked up to it?

When I saw the picture, I thought I was on a Commercial AP site.

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mwdesign wrote:
Good evening, everyone. Lots of stuff going on! Enjoy!

Are you using any used sign material made from Coroplast? Depending on the framing and what the project is all about, the 10mm Coroplast is a great alternative to using plywood.

Also with the use of PVC molding you can make the entire tank with sealed ends that hold and seal using 10mm Coroplast.

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Tom, the tank is around 6'd at the top, and around 4' high. Rick and the guys may raise the level of the tank, to make the cone steeper. I left it in their hands. I havent even seen the "pizza slices" that will form the cone. The photo was taken by Kenny, Rick's partner, who texted them to me.

The way I'm laying this all out is kinda funky, due to my lack of space. (My mom and I talk about getting some land, but my wife says she'll come visit me on weekends). Ok what is now the fish tank, will be the sump (as it should be). I will put (4) IBC fish tanks and a MT where the (6) growbeds were. Water will be pumped from the sump to the roof and into the cone RFF, then to the bank of 6 blue drums. 4 of the 6 drums will flow back into the 4 IBC fish tanks (one drum per fish tank). The other 2 drums will feed the plants. Now, these remaining drums may become 3 or 4. I'm not sure of what I'm going to do yet, as I just bought those (70) 5 gallon buckets that will certainly get me in hot water with the wife. Also, when I tore the system apart, I didnt want to kill the plants so I temporarily filled some IBCs with fish water and put them along the back wall of the house (facing east). The plants on rafts have done really well there. So a thought is to have these other drums feed (3) gravel beds (the same ones I tore apart). These would further filter the water into a second , in ground tank. (Like Muzza's system). This second tank or second sump would be at a slightly higher level than the main sump, so water circulates back into the main sump via gravity, through a 3 or 4" pipe. This second "sump" will house the pump(s) that will feed the remaining (3) gravel beds and the 2 large DWCs that will be in the back yard. (Not sure if I posted photos of the layout with the ibc grow beds to the left of the dwcs, but please imagine them!). As far as cleaning, all of the drums and the cone RFF will have a drain plumbed into the MT. I havent decided if building the MT out of an IBC, or buying a 200 or 300 gallon, "cup style' tank and make a swirly MT like Andrew's. As much as I like the idea of the vortex, I like the idea of saving money and I may have a spare IBC when I'm done. I may just use that as my MT. This MT will have a tap about half way up, so whem I turn off the flow I can dump up to half of its clarified water into the system. Hope the long explanaition makes sense. Now, off for a big cup of coffee!

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makes a lot of sense to me. The only question I have is about pumping solids filled fish water up to the roof. Wouldn't running the solids through an impeller pulverize the solids? making them tougher to settle out in the RFF.

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Brian, I really dont know about pulverizing the solids. One thing I can tell you is that my pump once caught a platy and cut it in half (didnt mince it, as one might have guessed). Guess we'll find out!

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Brian, I really dont know about pulverizing the solids. One thing I can tell you is that my pump once caught a platy and cut it in half (didnt mince it, as one might have guessed). Guess we'll find out!

It's strange that everybody refers to Fish crap as being a solid. If you took 99.999% of the moisture from it, you might get it to look like a solid.

And as to "pulverizing" it depends on the number of blades the pump has.

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I think solids is a relative term. It's all about the size of the detritus which hits the RFF. Solids should settle better, but yeah I don't have empirical data on the subject. Mostly information I read on creating an RAS back in my start up days. There is something very comforting in trying things out. Good luck.

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I'll probably be experimenting by putting an elbow (or a tee with two elbows) on the inlet of this cone bottom RFF, so that the water swirls inside the inner cylinder. My thoughts are that if it swirls inside this center cylinder (probably a section of a 55G drum), there would be a longer retention time. We'll find out. Thanks for your comments!

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Yeah man if any RFF can do it, yours can. That cone bottom tank is going to be awesome and I'm certain it'll be the envy of many here.

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When I get the details of the cone I'll share them, as well as more photos.

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mwdesign wrote:
When I get the details of the cone I'll share them, as well as more photos.

The reason I asked was what you wrote above.

"Tom, the tank is around 6'd at the top, and around 4' high. Rick and the guys may raise the level of the tank, to make the cone steeper. I left it in their hands. I havent even seen the "pizza slices" that will form the cone. The photo was taken by Kenny, Rick's partner, who texted them to me."

6' dia x 4' tall = 281 gal's. As for reducing the height of the cone, the existing cone pcs would have space between them. If you were to increase the height then the slices would have to be recut on both sides.

Then you wrote "My thoughts are that if it swirls inside this center cylinder (probably a section of a 55G drum)"

A 55 gal drum has a i/s diameter of approx. 23"+/- depending on the manufacture spec's.

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mwdesign wrote:
When I get the details of the cone I'll share them, as well as more photos.

The reason I asked was what you wrote above.

"Tom, the tank is around 6'd at the top, and around 4' high. Rick and the guys may raise the level of the tank, to make the cone steeper. I left it in their hands. I havent even seen the "pizza slices" that will form the cone. The photo was taken by Kenny, Rick's partner, who texted them to me."

6' dia x 4' tall = 281 gal's. As for reducing the height of the cone, the existing cone pcs would have space between them. If you were to increase the height then the slices would have to be recut on both sides.

Then you wrote "My thoughts are that if it swirls inside this center cylinder (probably a section of a 55G drum)"

A 55 gal drum has a i/s diameter of approx. 23"+/- depending on the manufacture spec's.

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Update: Hurricane Irma killed most my fish. Didnt know they we so big! 2 weeks later Hurricane María blew us back to the stone age. 30 days without power and counting. Been working with a generator, and the outlet on my Tacoma. No phone, no internet. Using wifi from the front of the cable company's building, who have been cool enough to set up free wifi for the public. Anyway I installed the 4 IBC fish tanks and divided the surviving fish among them. I circulate the water by plugging the pump into the outlet on the Tacoma. I love that truck! I built (4) drum filters like Andrew's. Filled one with bottle caps, one with the bird netting I already had. Planning on building the remaining drum filters this weekend. Although if I get ice, I'll be working on a case of Heineken I had for las week (couldnt get ice last week!!).

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I'm so sorry to hear about Puerto Rico and the lack of response from our A'hole in charge. Hang in there and I hope it gets less insane soon.
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