HSM Disease, Disaster and recovery

TCLynx

No, not into sailing.

chillidude

BullwinkleII wrote:

Are you into sailing TC?

TCLynx wrote:

No, not into sailing.

There's a conversation with no future

TCLynx

chillidude wrote:

BullwinkleII wrote:

Are you into sailing TC?

TCLynx wrote:

No, not into sailing.

There's a conversation with no future

I'm guessing he was going to make some sort of comment about my freeboard comment.
:?:

DecalsbyJT

I get free boards all the time :bootyshake:

TCLynx

I could use some Free Boards, I need to build lots of shelving for the new place.
I Start moving tomorrow!

rrjl6572

Hiya TCL.

I think the topic has regressed but want to wish you all the best for the big move tomorrow.
I cant wait to see what you get up to with a little more space and privacy.

Hope tomorrow dawns fine and heralds the beginning of a whole new chapter to yours and your loved ones lives :flower:

TCLynx

Thanks.

And I be sure that all new systems have plenty of free board on the tanks and tank covers!

TastySalmon

RupertofOZ wrote:

Salt and/or salt dips... heated water and good oxygenation will take care of most problems in an AP system..... "ich" being the most common....

If you get a batch of fish that are really sick, then the only real way of treating them is isolation and treatment with "oxy-tet"......you'll need a vet to apply that treatment...

PM Monya for details about the procedures he had to go through when he got a sick batch of fish...

Unless you're dealing with quantities of 500+, it probably isn't worth the cost and effort....

Bin them, feed them to the chooks... and buy a fresh, healthy batch from a reputable, preferably certified, supplier.....

Prevention is the best approach..... don't put sick fish into your system.... parasites like "ich" can be a pain, but are treatable......as are a lot of fungal problems...

But fungal problems are usually associated with bad water management....

Bacterially infections are usually introduced.... usually fatal... and extremely costly to treat... avoid the problem at the source is my advise.

I'll have to disagree with this statement. Bacterial problems are almost always associated with inherent bacterial species, not introduced species. In other words, bacteria that may cause problems are always on or in the fish, but problems become noticeable when fish health is compromised due to separate issues, such as poor water quality or inappropriate loading densities.

Sleepe

That is a very interesting statement to make (and no doubt controversial for your third post).

Have you any research to back this up; not re the stress only the bacteria? (only asking, not objecting)

RupertofOZ

Bacteria wont really live "in" fish..as fish are cold blooded... they will live "on" fish.... when fish health is compromised as you say TS...

A fishes primary immune defence mechanism.. is the slime coat... once compromised.. then the bacteria/pathogens that are in the water column can take hold.. and "infect" the fish...

so the bacteria are "introduced".. either via source water... or by other external contamination... human or nature...

TastySalmon

Sleepe wrote:

That is a very interesting statement to make (and no doubt controversial for your third post).

Have you any research to back this up; not re the stress only the bacteria? (only asking, not objecting)

Just because it's my third post I'm not qualified to dispute statements?

Bacteria do live in fish, particularly in the gut. These bacteria cause problems when fish health is compromised. Some inherent bacteria in compromised stocks can even be harbored in kidneys.

I'm not disputing that some diseases won't ever be present in your system. Some producers may sell fish that are truly free of some certain bacteria. Most times this is not the case. The introduction of plants, juvenile fish, worms, crustaceans and media will introduce unwanted microorganisms. This is a fact of life you cannot prevent.

Has anyone ever wondered why their system was filled with tap water, and they introduced theoretically "clean" products, but found a decomposing fish with Saprolegnia on it?

Most people won't have severe problems because they will manage their system properly and maintain decent water quality. Your beneficial nitrifying bacteria even do an excellent job of suppressing "bad" bacteria. Professional fish culturists growing fish in extreme densities in recirculating systems rely on their biofilters to suppress or even prevent bacterial problems.

Sleepe

"Just because it's my third post I'm not qualified to dispute statements?"

I have no idea whether you are qualified or not, and you can dispute anything you like

I was merely curious as to where you got your information from.

scotty435

Why should fish be any different than humans in this respect. What I'm saying is that infections can be from internal or external organisms. Bacteria have adapted to the internal temps that fish have just as they have to ours. By the same token, just because we have E. coli in our gut doesn't mean it's going to cause disease, some strains are just worse than others and every animal that has E. coli may not have the bad version :dontknow:

Sleepe

Maybe so scotty but some bacteria you have and some you get.

I was curious to know if Tasty Salmon had any research on fish ie where do they get it from and can introduced fish bring it with them?

scotty435

I'll let TastySalmon supply some more papers on fish research but while you wait here's a paper you can read - http://www.int-res.com/articles/dao/26/d026p133.pdf

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