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PostPosted: Feb 19th, '09, 03:33 
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I actually have lots of ants farming aphids and such. DE powder works a little bit but with the constant supply of water, it is not all that effective.


As do I... suggestion from LB when he was over, block your drain every now and then, (watching so you don't overflow) and allow a VERY high flood. This limits the ants a mite. spraying the aphids just beforehand may be helpful too. My one test so far did result in many drowned ants, and they didn't regroup for a while.

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PostPosted: Feb 19th, '09, 05:22 
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Very good point on the flood thing, I haven't done that in quite some time.

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My grandmother used to use tomatoe leaf tea on her roses so you may be right about it working in some aphids but not others. I will try it and will post the outcome.

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So what seems to work best for Aphids in AP:
1) urine?
2)garlic spray?
3)compost tea?
4) plain water?
5) tomato leaf tea?
6)chilli spray?
7) onion spray?
8 some yeast type mix?
9) or some concoction of all the above?

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seasol or maxi crop (some one mentioned that working against their aphid problem but didn't really work for mine)

Actually, what I've been doing for the most part is ignoring them other than to be careful not to be bit by the ants. Seems to be working ok for me.

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Plants look so much better this year I hated to see my first invaders.
I also had some black spot under one of the leaves of my swiss chard. I picked the whole leaf off to keep them from spredding. And yes the little black sweet ants are farming the aphids. I have some D.E. but haven't used it yet. I just ordered some Dipel online even though I haven't got any caterpillars yet but I'm sure they will eventually. I'm fixing to start brewing up some concoctions to spray. I don't think I am going to use the chili as the barrel ponics system is small and I don't want it to irritate the fish.

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I doubt the chili will really irritate the fish but it might be hard on your if you forget to wash your hands well after touching treated plants.

FYI DE is not all that effective if there is a handy source of moisture around, ants really need to be cut up by it for it to work and if there is moisture around they might still survive.

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This is how I control aphids....hasn't failed me yet:

Mix one tablespoon of dishwashing detergent with one cup of cooking oil. When pests strike, mix one to two and one half teaspoons of the detergent oil mix with one cup of water. The detergent causes the oil to emulsify in the water. It can be sprayed on the water lilies every ten days. Besides aphids, the mixture works against whiteflies and spider mites. It has been successfully tested on eggplants, carrots, lettuce, celery, watermelon, peppers and cucumbers. It tends to burn the leaves of squash, cauliflower and red cabbage.

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However, most of us will tell you to be very very careful about using anything with soap, detergent, or oil around a fish system.

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Detergent and fish ....., I would not recommend that.

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I've used it all last year with no problem. It's such a trace amount I think the goldies could care less.

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Goldies ,, LOL ,, not really fish ..... they can eat dirt , live in acid , make love to a lizard and still live.
Most people on this forum want a fish that is nice to eat.

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There is a good chance that the detergent and oil never got to the fish. If it was sprayed carefully and sparingly on the plants and not allowed to drift into the fish tank or exposed system water, then the direct contamination vectors probably didn't happen and if the plants are under cover and don't get rained on, then residue probably didn't get washed down into the system. Hence why the goldfish survived. And the fact that it is a small amount means that danger is somewhat reduced.

Plus the fact that gold fish tend to survive situations far beyond the ability for most other fish to survive.

Now that said, using any kind of soap, detergent or oil is still risky around fish. Anything that is a suffocant, makes water wetter to help in sticking or washing which is how it often works to kill bugs like aphids (suffocates them because they normally breath through their skin and also damages the cuticle of their skin causing them to dehydrate), can also kill fish and worms by interfearing with their respiration. An accidental spill could wipe out an entire batch of fish. Fish breath with their gill contact with the water, anything that can coat their gills can cause them problems.

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Goldies ,, LOL ,, not really fish ..... they can eat dirt , live in acid , make love to a lizard and still live.
Most people on this forum want a fish that is nice to eat.


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Thanks for the suggestion Web4Deb but I am scared of any detergent. I cleaned the glass of an empty aquarium with 409 glass cleaner once and it took a while for the chemicals to breakdown and allow the tank to hold fish again.

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Due to the problem I have been having with aphids I recently tried a product from Maxicrop.

I found that spraying water was not enough, and the system was new and I don't think plant health was as good as it should be. Ants were a problem as they would simply carry them back up the plants, and as it was in a new greenhouse I had no good bugs. In desperation I rang the people at maxicrop and spoke to them. They have a certified organic product called BugGuard which has a very short active life and they believe is safe for use around ponds and fish, not for in water use but run off should not be a problem.

So I tried it and have been using it for 3 weeks with no ill effects, aphids are now reasonably controlled. It has to contact the bugs so I doubt I could get complete control, however it has saved my plants from complete destruction.

http://www.multicrop.com.au/pest.htm#Bu ... ct%20Spray

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