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Hi Guys,

Recently i came across a listing for used IBCs, but the only information the person selling them can provide is that they where used to store inorganic liquid fertilizers.

So currently i am wondering if it is worth the risk to use them after a warm soapy wash when MSDS cant be apply?

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If the only contents they've had in them is inorganic liquid fertilisers, then they will be perfectly safe after a quick rinse out, you wouldn't even need to use soapy water, but if you do, make sure you rinse the soap out thoroughly.

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Hi guys,

I found another supplier for IBC that states that they recycled used IBC totes that used to store hydrochloric acid, they state that before delivery they will wash the totes twice before drying.

My question is how do i check if it is safe to use?

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Hi guys,

I found another supplier for IBC that states that they recycled used IBC totes that used to store hydrochloric acid, they state that before delivery they will wash the totes twice before drying.

My question is how do i check if it is safe to use?

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Take some baking soda, Sodium Bicarbonate and sprinkle any liguids inside, If it foams it will still have some acid in it.

But, most gov'ts require double rinse on those chemicals.


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>> I found another supplier for IBC that states that they recycled used IBC totes that used to store hydrochloric acid, they state that before delivery they will wash the totes twice before drying.


HCL is fine. People here in AP add it to water to lower pH and it has no residual affects on either people or fish.

So as long as it is HCL then you can simply rinse and not worry any further.
You will run up your system anyway and do a pH check.

The IBC's should be fairly clean without much staining or pitting.
If not then maybe check out the contents a bit more.

IMO the HCL and Urea IBC's are the best ones to get because they are products used in AP/gardening anyway.

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And DEF totes are good too as they just contain Urea.

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Hi Guys,

Anyone know what this is, is the IBC safe to use and how how to clean it?

Thanks in advance

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Curious wrote:
is the IBC safe to use and how how to clean it?
Lupranate is Methylene diphenyl diisocyanate, which has a classification of "Harmful".

It is made from combining Aniline, a known carcinogen classified as "Toxic" and "Dangerous for the environment"... and Formaldehyde, another known carcinogen which is classified as "Toxic" and "Highly Toxic to all animals".

It is then treated with Phosgene, a WW1 chemical weapon with a classification of "Very Toxic".

IMO... Give that IBC to your Mother-in-law and find yourself another!

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@Yabbies - :laughing3: :laughing3: Thanks for your input.

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I was given an IBC and was told it had Machine coolant in it... can i clean it out and use it for fish?


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I was given an IBC and was told it had Machine coolant in it... can i clean it out and use it for fish?


Search the net for what ever the active constituent is and 'msds'. Have a read and make an informed decision from there


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dlf_perth wrote:
...IMO the HCL and Urea IBC's are the best ones to get because they are products used in AP/gardening anyway.

I would add to Darren's suggestions any IBC that contained Seasol or Fish Emulsion will be good to go, as well.

Whilst I prefer IBCs with non-harmful contents, I don't turn my nose up at others and have used a few that I'm sure other AP enthusiasts would reject out of hand. For instance, I'm presently plumbing in a couple that, until fairly recently, contained metham, a soil fumigant. I've used these IBCs before with no discernible negative affects, ie fish and vegies thrived, and no consumers of the fish and vegies have died nor developed diseases (nor a second head).

I give them a rinse, a scrub, another rinse then leave them to sit for a several weeks with water in them, in which time quite a deal of algal and other life forms take up residence. This, combined with UV light and the elements generally, is IMO enough to render them sufficiently safe for use, despite the 'Do not use for other purposes' warning.

My advice would be this: if you are building a typical back yard system comprising just one IBC then pay extra, if you have to, for the peace of mind of using a so-called 'food-grade' IBC or one that contained one of the safe liquids identified above. If, however, you can't get hold of a clean/safe IBC then with some extra cleaning and ageing time you may still be able to proceed with one of these initially less-safe IBCs.

I should note that I don't discount the extra safeguard that my system affords me in terms of its massive volume and, hence, much greater rate of dilution of any possible contaminant that enters it.

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It should be noted that some compounds will break down into non-harmful components with enough time, heat, UV light, etc.

Even RoundUp (Glyphosate) only has a soil half-life of something like 2-3 weeks.

On the other hand, pesticides like Crossbow persist for years in the soil and so would be very hard to get out of an IBC.


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