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PostPosted: Apr 28th, '14, 09:39 
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For your information...

http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile ... nopgeninfo

I found this especially interesting,

"Organic products have strict production and labeling
requirements. Unless noted below, organic products
must meet the following requirements:

-Produced without excluded methods (e.g., genetic
engineering), ionizing radiation, or sewage sludge."

How are aquaponic farms in the US getting certified if use of "sewage sludge" is prohibited...?

And then you have this FAQ (for meat and poultry) from the Food Safety and Inspection Service of the US Department of Agriculture.

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/oppde/larc/Org ... espons.htm

"Will brand names, which include the name Organic, be allowed as the principle brand name or will they be restricted to the signature line as is presently restricted?

Ans. – Unless the product is certified as organic, brand names will not be allowed to include the term "organic" as the "principal brand name," except where products are exempted from certification and may bear the term "organic" according to the National Standards. However, FSIS will continue to allow the word "organic" on a label as part of the manufacturer’s name only in the signature line (e.g., "Nebraska Organic Beef Company"), in an inconspicuous and non-misleading manner."


And finally, what looks to be the official word from the USDA...

http://www.ams.usda.gov/AMSv1.0/getfile ... DEV3003509

"Section 6519(b) of the Act provides the Secretary with the authority to review use of the term, "organic," in agricultural product names and the names of companies that produce agricultural products. While we believe that the term, "organic," in a brand name context does not inherently imply an organic production or handling claim and, thus, does not inherently constitute a false or
misleading statement, we intend to monitor the use of the term in the context of the entire label. We will consult with the FTC and FDA regarding product and company names that may misrepresent the nature of the product and take action on a case-by-case basis."


So... legal... MAYBE. But sticky ground nonetheless.

Hope that helps!


I always thought you couldn't put organic in your company name but I guess I was wrong. I do think if it was an aquaponic farm, it would have a much better chance against the "case-by-case" approach


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PostPosted: May 13th, '14, 18:11 
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Hi, our system is a 10.000L fish tank, with about 25m2 of media growbeds and 10m2 of floating raft. 8.000L sump tank. RFF Filter and IBC tank with 3 polyurethane filters. Everything inside a geodesic greenhouse.

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I was under the impression that anything to do with fish farming was hard to get certified as organic because the fish feed is not organic. There is apparently one fish food supplier in france that is organic but the price is prohibitive.


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Just getting started. Tell me if I should delete this post 'cause the system is cycling but only with ducks and no plants until the weekend (hopefully). But the FT is 40,000L. Total newbies other than reading everything we can find. Bookmarking this thread as everything in it is useful! Just trying to figure out an economical way to do large growbeds and it's amazing to see what you guys have come up with!

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Does anyone else but me find the very idea that the body that governs 'certified organic' may have the sole rights to the use of the word 'organic' now or in the future in a brand name to be wrong?

I understand not being able to use 'certified organic' (even though I think it should be more specific like 'Federally Approved Organic' as perhaps the current 'certified organic' is only one groups idea of 'organic'?)

I mean it seems like a bit of extortion to demand lots of money to be given the right to use a word that a particular group with a particular ideology have no ownership over to begin with. Organic is not a brand name to begin with and to turn it into some type of copyright seems wrong without specifying a particular type of 'organic' like 'Federally Approved Organic' etc (I am just making that up of course)

If you look at free range eggs fro example there are many different types.. most are useless.. but some mean more than others like RSPCA approved free range eggs etc

I certainly want to make things easy for a consumer.. and lots of different 'organic' bodies may not do that but it does seem unfair that ONE group could have such power over a word that is important

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tom77 wrote:
Does anyone else but me find the very idea that the body that governs 'certified organic' may have the sole rights to the use of the word 'organic' now or in the future in a brand name to be wrong?

I understand not being able to use 'certified organic' (even though I think it should be more specific like 'Federally Approved Organic' as perhaps the current 'certified organic' is only one groups idea of 'organic'?)

I mean it seems like a bit of extortion to demand lots of money to be given the right to use a word that a particular group with a particular ideology have no ownership over to begin with. Organic is not a brand name to begin with and to turn it into some type of copyright seems wrong without specifying a particular type of 'organic' like 'Federally Approved Organic' etc (I am just making that up of course)

If you look at free range eggs fro example there are many different types.. most are useless.. but some mean more than others like RSPCA approved free range eggs etc

I certainly want to make things easy for a consumer.. and lots of different 'organic' bodies may not do that but it does seem unfair that ONE group could have such power over a word that is important


i think just seeing the word on the packaging is enough to please the brain dead people that like to be seen eating such foods. Very similar to the free range egg scenerio, as long as they think they are doing something and paying a bit more for it that's all they care about. As long as they can tout it to their mates while sipping a coffee at the local cafe.


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Our System Page: http://www.backyardaquaponics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=21897

We are running a 3000 Gallon aquaponics system in a solar greenhouse. Please see our thread for more details, tour video and/or questions.

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Here is my System in my Backyard, Just started teh construction

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A Little Over 3000 Litres Fish Tank - gb's 300 litres, sump 150 litre. Will be upgrading to 1000 Litre sump and more gb's in future.

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CHIFT PIST IBC system with integrated aeroponics.
2 fish tanks @ 275 gallons each
2 radial flow filters (one for each fish tank)
Eight grow beds filled with expanded clay and controlled with bell auto siphons
6 aeroponic components with 6 pots each = 36 aeroponic grow pots
1 2000-4000 gph variable speed pump
4 1000 watt and 2 600 watt HID lights with electronic ballasts and MH bulbs
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2 175 cfm vortex inline fans for fresh air
1 3240 cfm exhaust fan
115 rainbow trout and a variety of plants


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The pond is around 5 foot (1.5 meter) deep where the fish are photographed. The seem to like to hang out at a half a meter depth. I see them from the pond window exploring the whole pond. I've also seen two fingerlings act aggressive toward one another. Love the aquarium style window in the 2600 gallon (9842 liters) fish pond. Before the trout, I spent a lot of time watching the air stones make bubbles, fascinating in itself, now I can sit and watch the fingerlings swim.
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Here's my system I just finished off the nft 2000 holes with 80,000 gal of fish pond. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN1RYbawycc


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