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I tore down my unapproved green house that was in the property setback and got back to work. I have decided to stay with the same area of my yard for AP, and to reuse the parts on some other project. At least the 4x4 beams can be used on my gb supports above the cement block.

I learned a valuable lesson ordering bulkhead fittings and uniseals, I wanted a few of both for testing. But while shopping I quickly learned that my local hardware store wanted almost $20 for a single bulkhead, the local plumbing supply store wanted only $8 for the same. However I found someone on ebay selling them in 10 packs for only $40. As for the quality between each of these products I have no idea. But shop around first! Those are in the mail, and my only hold up before serious plumbing work begins. The indexing valve, pump, fill valve, all have arrived. I also found a place where I can locally buy motherearth for the MSRP price on 50L bags without any shipping and when I told they guy how much I needed he said he would further discount my order 10%...yay!

We have 4 IBC units all over the back yard in various stages of cleaning, cutting, galvanizing, and painting. Two of the GBs are ready for plumbing. The sump hole has continuously filled in with rain water and we can not get the walls to hold. I am most likely going to have it half exposed as a result. I still have not attempted to bury the IBC sump as planned until I have built a nice fill valve to hold that thing down. I'm going to post some photos of our yard full of IBC containers and a giant muddy hole just because it will make the "after photos" look that much better when its done. Maybe I should stand in front and look tired and upset like the before shots for product X.

I already had to explain to my girlfriend that my sump hole doesn't look anything like Ron the pirate's hole did and I'm really struggling with it.

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really simple dumb question I have to ask...

If I have 3 IBC media GBs in a row with 4" drainage plumbing, that runs 11 feet straight to the sump tank... I still need to have a downward slope with my pipe and can not rely on pressure alone with a level surface. Furthermore the less slope grade or angle used the more build up can occur over time. And I would have to eventually flush clean or replace that pipe.

Assuming this is correct is there some kind of suggested rise over run type formula for drainage?

This idea in my mind has a lot to due with my battle over getting the sump tank deeper so the GBs can set as low as possible.

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I already had to explain to my girlfriend that my sump hole doesn't look anything like Ron the pirate's hole did and I'm really struggling with it.

Did you dig with your shirt off? They seem to like that.

Perhaps you just need a way to shore up the sides while you dig. Perhaps build a box large enough to fit around the IBC cage, and as you dig, slide it deeper in the hole. Then once it is in place, slide your IBC in. You will most certainly need the reinforcement with your soil anyway.

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Ron, I took off the shirt and suddenly she was out there painting IBCs and came up with a solution to use the top cut off an IBC lid from the FT to make a floater to hold a (old non-AP) sump pump just at the surface of the muck water to drain the hole with out sucking up sand and dirt off the bottom. You're like a master plumber, biologist, and a marriage counselor!

Then it rained again, in fact its still raining now and hard too. Though we are keeping water out of the sump hole the sides are caving in and the hole just gets wider as fast not any deeper. Each time we dig, we get pummeled by rain!

I have decided to use cement board because of its thin profile. Also I took another look at yours... do you have an IBC base attached to both top and bottom of your buried sump? I have an extra base not used from the GB frames that were cut. You're able to walk on top of that sump correct? But you would probably be pushing it to place a media GB support on top of it. Its almost like mine should have a deck built above the sump especially if its partially exposed. But I don't want to give myself any excuses yet to not have this stupid thing buried!

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Here is the wall we put up first...

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Then it was the roof we put up... only to take it right back down when the code inspector informed me about property setbacks. Ignorant mistake on my part. Hopefully reusing some materials later.
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Then we worked on some IBC units...
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Then we had a major battle against rain while digging a sump!

We dug....
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The dog even helped!




And then it would rain again....
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And it rained more....
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So we used the sump pump to remove it before it caved in even more.
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And it rained all night
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The hole is now twice as wide as we need it to be and the depth is the same as when we started due to the sides caving in over and over.

Want to make it rain in Florida? Just try to dig a sump...

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I used one pallet, just on top. The bottom really does not need one as long as the soil is compacted and level. With the hole filling ip like that, I would be worrying about the IBC popping up like coffins in the movie Poltergeist. You definitely want t make sure the sump stays mostly full, and perhaps anchor it down too.

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Yep, good advice. Use those mobile home anchors and keep it close to full. The same with swimming pools with a lot of groundwater. They're fine until you drain the pool, and then they can pop out of the ground and cause a hell of a mess. Broken pipes, decking, pools(fiberglass), tile, etc. Not a pretty sight. On a pool, you just have to pump out the ground water first, but that's not to practical for you.


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And then there was flooding, bridges closed, long article in our newspaper listing the river levels and their max flood levels compared to current levels. I just needed to go 10 more inches deep...

Ron don't ever bury your treasures in Florida...




And the next day after some pumping it looks like this.

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And all that work just to get right back to where I was before the storm.... still 10 inches shy of the depth I need to be at.

Positive notes: I did purchase and cut my cement board and earth anchors as suggested and thanks again for the input! Also I got to watch my girlfriend slip down the bank lose a shoe and almost got to watch her beat herself in a 1 person mud wrestling contest. You really have to embrace the little things in life. She will probably poisin my food when she reads this one day. :wave:

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Pictures of the 1 woman mud wrestling "event" would be awesome. :laughing3:
Probably not a wise idea, but a lot of fun for us. I'm so glad we have nice sandy loam here. 10" of rain over the last few weeks and dry as a bone today.


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I'm sore all over.... and that was just from watching.

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Ron's build thread needs some kind of stunt man disclaimer. "If you're not an experienced pirate with multiple buried treasures, do not try this at home". This nearly killed me! I'm so glad to move on to the next step of this process.

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